Mary Cummins, Real Estate Appraiser, Animal Advocates, Los Angeles, California

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023

Mary Cummins Comment to ASC Bias Committee February 8, 2023, Real Estate Appraiser

Mary Cummins, ASC, appraisal subcommittee, appraisal bias hearing, @asc.gov, real estate appraiser,real estate appraisal, los angeles, california, hud, marcia fudge, appraisal institute, aei, american enterprise institute, bias, discrimination, junia howell, paul austin, tenisha tate austin, craig steinley, Michael Fratantoni, Mortgage Bankers Association
Mary Cummins, ASC, appraisal subcommittee, appraisal bias hearing, @asc.gov, real estate appraiser,real estate appraisal, los angeles, california, hud, marcia fudge, appraisal institute, aei, american enterprise institute, bias, discrimination, junia howell, paul austin, tenisha tate austin, craig steinley, Michael Fratantoni, Mortgage Bankers Association

02/26/2024 I never got a reply about my comment. It is not public anywhere except here. I doubt anyone read my comment letter. They definitely didn't respond to any issue. If you send in a comment, post it publicly on your own. Otherwise it just ends up in a black hole. They tell you to send comments just to make it appear they are listening to you. They are not listening to appraisers. They are only listening to what fits their agenda which is the promotion of the false narrative of the old male male racist appraiser. Research by AEI has shown there is no racism in appraisals, see below.

ORIGINAL: Below is the comment letter I sent to the Appraisal Subcommittee in regard to the January 24, 2023 Appraisal Bias Hearing. It was confirmed as received. "Appraisal Bias Hearing via appsubcomm.onmicrosoft.com 2:07 PM (1 hour ago) We are in receipt of your message. Thank you for contacting the Appraisal Subcommittee." While they probably won't read it, it's now part of the Federal record for ASC and HUD. 


Mary Cummins

February 7, 2023

Appraisal Subcommittee

Appraisal Bias Hearing Comment Letter

AppraisalBiasHearing@asc.gov

I watched the January 24, 2023 ASC Appraisal Bias hearing. Comments were requested after the hearing. This letter is my comment. 

I've been a real estate appraiser in Los Angeles, California for 40 years. I've been a licensed California Certified Residential Appraiser since licenses were first offered in 1993/1994. I'm a Latino woman who speaks English and Spanish. I appraise property in the diverse county  of Los Angeles and state of California.

There is no denying that racism exists in our country. We must do all we can to stop racism, sexism, ageism and all the other isms. As an appraiser I support fair, unbiased appraisal practices and valuations. I support using the scientific method and facts in order to identify the real problem in order to solve it.

I witnessed a lot of misinformation and disinformation during the hearing. Marcia Fudge the head of HUD and some of the specifically chosen speakers made racist and other statements which are not supported by facts and evidence. While there is an income, wealth and home value gap among whites, blacks and Latinos it's not caused by real estate appraisers. It's caused by the income gap. That is the real problem which must be solved. Blaming appraisers for the income gap will never solve the real underlying problem.

Government research has shown that there is an income gap between whites, blacks and Latinos ( AEI Housing Center Response to Perry and Rothwell, 2021, https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/aei-housing-center-response-to-perry-and-rothwell-2021/ ). Whites make and have more money than blacks and Latinos. Men make more than women. Married couples make more than singles. The income gap is the cause of the wealth gap including the generational wealth gap. It's the cause of the difference in value among white and black, Latino owned homes. 

Research has shown that people who make more money have more money and buy more expensive homes (see link above). People buy homes they can afford in areas they can afford. People who make more money also buy more expensive cars. The difference in value of the cars is also not caused by real estate appraisers. 

If the race and color of the homeowners were the cause of the differences in home valuations, why do identical white owned homes in the same areas of black, Latino owned homes have the same value as black, Latino owned homes? The value has nothing to do with race or skin color but location. Everyone knows the three main indicators of value are LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. A home in a small town in Ohio with few amenities is generally worth less than a home of the same size in prime Beverly Hills, California. The value is mainly in the dirt.

Fudge and some of the others spent their time attacking and blaming "old white male" real estate appraisers for the home value gap. Appraisers report market value based on the sound economic theory of matched pairs analysis. This same theory has been used since the beginning of time to value all assets. This is set by the concepts of the free market and willing and able buyers and sellers. Fudge's promotion of the false narrative of the "racist appraiser" will never solve the real problem which is the income gap.

I will now reply to the individual instances of misinformation by the speakers in order starting with Marcia Fudge. 

I. Marcia Fudge, HUD

Marcia Fudge is one of the heads of the PAVE Task Force. American Enterprise Institute (AEI) provided research, data and information to the Task Force ( AEI Comments on PAVE, March 2022 https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/comments-on-the-pave-report/ ) which proved the real cause of the home value gap is the income gap. Fudge knows this yet instead irresponsibly promotes the false narrative of the "racist appraiser" as the cause of the home value gap. Fudge promotes Andre Perry's false, misleading and debunked "paper" instead of independent verifiable research and facts. Perry's paper was based on robot valuations and not appraisers. 

While Fudge states she hates and fights racism Fudge's multiple comments against white people reflect her own racism. It appears that Fudge prefers to falsely state that the problem is (white) real estate appraisers because her department HUD oversees those issues. HUD has received extra funding for this issue even though the real cause of the problem is not within control of her department. Government funding should be provided to the Departments that can actually solve the income gap problem. This is why we must first determine and state the problem which is the income gap.

Fudge stated that property tax paying for police, fire and schools was unconstitutional. It's inconceivable that the head of a major US government department would make this statement which is a violation of her oath. When Fudge became the head of HUD she took an oath March 2021 stating "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States (snip), that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." 

Fudge inferred that she wanted property tax assessment values to rise so people would pay more property tax so they could get more police, fire protection and money for local schools. She doesn't realize that most older retired disabled people can't afford to pay more taxes and keep their homes. They'd be forced to sell with higher taxes. Appraisers don't even make property value assessments. Those are made by Tax Assessors. 

Fudge stated that black people remove personal photos, items to increase home value. That is false. All real estate agents tell all home owners of every color to remove personal articles such as photos, collectibles from their home. It shows the home bigger and better. Buyers don't want to see any other person reflected in the home. They want to envision themselves in a blank slate of a home. It's not about race.

Fudge stated she started the appraisal appeal process for racial bias. Appraisal appeal, Reconsideration of Value (ROV) have ALWAYS been available to borrowers of all types. They can appeal based on any reason. A difference in appraised value and contract price is not about bias. It happens more in black, Latino areas based on the home values and not the race. Research by AEI based on government loan documents proved there is no effect of race on home value ( AEI, How Common is Appraiser Racial Bias https://www.aei.org/how-common-is-appraiser-racial-bias/ ). AEI presented this to the government in the meeting about the PAVE task force yet Fudge keeps denying these facts.

Fudge brought up her home value previously. She said her older home is worth less (than a white person's home up the street) BECAUSE SHE IS BLACK. I included a valuation of her home and of the NEW, LUXURY homes up, across the street from her in a past article. It's a private development of new luxury homes tucked away off the main street. I have no idea if the home owners are all white. I doubt Fudge does either. There is a reason why those homes are worth more. They're new, luxury, in a new development, with a clubhouse, off the main street highway... Not all homes of the same size in the same county are worth the same. An old run down home in South Los Angeles is worth less than a new one of the same size in Beverly Hills. If Fudge doesn't know this basic appraisal theory, she should resign because she's clearly unqualified to run the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

II. Dr. Junia Howell

Howell prefaced her research by basically stating without any proof that appraisers are racist and appraise homes in black, Latino areas for less than areas with more white owned homes. Howell promotes the false narrative of the racist appraiser. Howell states she did research on property values in white, black and Latino areas in Texas. Howell supports this with a chart showing the difference in home values of predominantly white vs black, Latino owned homes. We're back to the income gap. Blacks, Latinos make less money than whites. For this reason they buy less expensive homes in less expensive areas.  I can only assume they promote this falsity for their personal agenda of wanting more funding to pay them for more research.

Howell doesn't understand basic real estate cycles, i.e. Growth, Stability, Decline, Revitalization. Howell stated areas which were redlined but are now mainly white owned increased in value. Areas which were not redlined but are now mainly black, Latino have decreased in value. Howell states this proves it's based on race when it actually proves it's based on real estate cycles and income. When values go up in an area, people with more money buy and own those homes. When values go down, blacks, Latinos are more likely to buy and own the homes because they make less money. When people get pushed out of more expensive areas, they buy homes in lower priced surrounding areas. Those lower priced areas are generally more black, Latino. Some call this "gentrification" but it's just a real estate cycle called "revitalization." It's all because of the income, wealth gap.

Howell misstates "redlining" as a "map based on race of inhabitants." There were many, many factors involved in the original Federal Housing Administration (FHA) lending policies. They were based on income on inhabitants, age of buildings, condition of buildings, beds/baths, location... to determine loan risks. We still use all of those factors today EXCEPT race. It's racist and against the law to use race, religions or any other similar factor.

Howell stated that whites in the US government used these risk maps to intentionally value white owned property higher than black, POC owned property. Howell is so uneducated in this matter that she doesn't even realize that back in the 1930's most areas which were mainly inhabited by POC were actually owned by whites. The risk maps prevented white property owners from receiving lower cost Federal guaranteed loans. Howell stated "White, affluent areas were appraised as most valuable." The key here is "affluent areas." It's the income wealth gap. Correlation does not equal causation. 

There are poor white areas in the US. How does Howell explain the difference in property values between wealthy and less wealthy white owned properties? She doesn't. It's not the color of their skin but the income gap. Howell made many more false and uneducated statements before stating that more research should be done. Howell wants more money to do more uneducated flawed research to promote the false narrative of the "racist appraiser."

III. Paul Austin and Tenisha Tate-Austin

I have covered this case in great detail because I'm an appraiser in California where the Tate's home is located. While the Austins may feel the difference in two home appraisals was due to racial discrimination the facts show it was not. Based on my research and experience the first appraiser used the best local comparables in Marin City and came in at market value. The second higher appraisal used dissimilar comparables in a very different more affluent area in Mill Valley much farther away from the subject. That is why it came in over market value. Marin City was built on swamp land as a Federal low income poor quality housing project built by the lowest bidder. The Tate's home was built cheaply using telephone poles on very steep previously unbuildable land. Mill Valley is an upscale community with high quality larger homes and some of the best schools and amenities in the state. 

The Tates stated in their testimony and lawsuit that Marin City is basically populated by African Americans while Mill Valley is white. The Tates wanted the appraiser to only use high valued comps from Mill Valley and not lower valued comps from Marin City right next to their home. That would violate Federal appraising regulations besides being bank fraud.

The Tates believe their whitewashing of their home increased the second appraisal value. It didn't. What increased the value was another appraiser with lower ethics who was most likely pressured by maybe the AMC, Lender to come in higher. The second appraiser is the reason why the first appraiser was falsely sued for coming in "low." The second appraiser should be sued for bank fraud, appraisal violations and lose their license. 

IV. Michael Fratantoni, Mortgage Bankers Association

Frantantoni basically promoted the MBA. Frantantoni suggested Automated Valuation Methods (AVMs) could reduce bias in appraisals.  AVMs don't reduce but increase bias. AVMs are robots that don't actually see or inspect the home. They base their value on recently sold allegedly similar homes based on home/lot size, bed/bath count and age. They don't know if the home actually exists, its condition, upgrades, view, lot type, specific location in a neighborhood, actual size, true bed/bath count, permitted/unpermitted additions... AVMs value average homes in poor condition over market value and improved homes with views under market value. Marcia Fudge stated she also supports AVMs. Zillow's AVM actually produced the false and misleading data used in Andre Perry's "paper." 

V. Craig Steinley, President, the Appraisal Institute, AI

The AI is a non-government non-profit organization. It costs about $15,000 to become an MAI AI designated appraiser. For this reason AI mainly represents wealthy older white male appraisers. It does not represent the average appraiser or most appraisers in the US.

AI wants to maintain its working relationship with the government. For that reason they support many though not all falsehoods stated by Fudge, HUD and other some government agencies. In their letter they promote their own actions as supporting the government.

That said AI makes some important points about AVMs and the Sales Comparison Approach.  

AVMs are not reliable. "One thing to be noted is that a good portion of the research that has been conducted on valuation bias has evaluated automated valuation model data – not appraisal data, including the contrasting research from the Brookings Institution and the American Enterprise Institute. We cannot overlook the Zillow CEO’s statement in the 4th quarter of 2021 concerning the “difficulty of accurately estimating market value” as a concern for AVM reliability." 

Sales Comparison Approach is reliable. Some have called for the "elimination of the sales comparison approach in appraisal. The BRSPT suggests those recommendations be ignored, and we will go on record as being outright opposed to such efforts. The sales comparison approach is grounded in economic theory, and it is universally accepted throughout the world." Some in government have suggested getting rid of the sales comparison approach which would destroy our economy. No bank would give a loan and no investor would buy a loan that is not based on an appraisal using the sales comparison approach.

In conclusion the cause of the difference in home valuations between whites and blacks, Latinos is the direct result of the income gap. The government needs to recognize and state the real problem so it can be solved. Blaming real estate appraisers will never solve the income gap or the home value gap. Blaming appraisers for the income gap is as ridiculous as blaming appraisers for gun violence and gas prices.

Please, rely on qualified independent scientific research and facts. Promoting the false narrative and attacking appraisers instead of trying to solve the real issue hurts everyone.  Throwing money at HUD won't fix the income gap. Please, fix the income gap and all its causes so we all may experience the American Dream of owning a valuable home.

Mary Cummins

California Certified Residential Appraiser

License # AR010207

Los Angeles, California

http://www.MaryCummins.com

https://www.facebook.com/CumminsRealEstateServices


Mary Cummins of Cummins Real Estate is a certified residential licensed appraiser in Los Angeles, California. Mary Cummins is licensed by the California Bureau of Real Estate appraisers and has over 35 years of experience.


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Wednesday, January 19, 2022

Identifying Bias and Barriers, Promoting Equity: An Analysis of the USPAP Standards and Appraiser Qualifications Criteria.

Identifying Bias and Barriers, Promoting Equity: An Analysis of the USPAP Standards and Appraiser Qualifications Criteria. Jim Park, James Park, ASC, Mary Cummins, real estate appraiser, real estate appraisal, los angeles, california, license, certified, residential, pave task force, trainee, requirements

UPDATE: The Fair Housing Alliance just stated they prepared the report with their partners. "The federally-funded report produced by the National Fair Housing Alliance and its partners raises serious concerns about the standards and criteria related to the appraisal of residential real estate, which often represents a family’s largest asset." IWoodruff@nationalfairhousing.org

How does one go about getting a federal government grant to write an "independent study" which uses false and misleading data to promote their organization's agenda? Must be nice. 

https://nationalfairhousing.org/groundbreaking-report-identifies-bias-and-systemic-barriers-in-real-estate-appraisals

ORIGINAL: Jim Park of the Appraisal Subcommittee (ASC) just released a press release which states,"Findings Released in Independent Study on Real Estate Appraisal Standards and Appraiser Qualifications Funded Through a Cooperative Agreement Between the Appraisal Subcommittee (ASC) and the Council on Licensure, Enforcement and Regulation (CLEAR) report titled "Identifying Bias and Barriers, Promoting Equity: An Analysis of the USPAP Standards and Appraiser Qualifications Criteria." 

It's an 84 page pdf. I assume this will be part of the PAVE Task Force report due February 2022? Send comments to jim@asc.gov 

https://www.asc.gov/Documents/OtherCorrespondence/2022-01-14%20NFHA%20et%20al_Analysis.pdf

The National Fair Housing Association, Fair Housing Advocates of Northern California, Fair Housing Center of Central Indiana, Andre Perry contributed to this report. They promoted the false narrative of alleged appraisal bias in the case of Paul Austin, Tenisha Tate in Marin, California besides a few others. Andre Perry has been peddling his non-peer reviewed, non-published false research to sell his books. I'm glad that Christensen Law and Peter Christensen also contributed to this report. Christensen understands real estate appraisal, regulations and the law. It doesn't look like he was allowed to contribute much at all.

I won't go over the entire report in great detail though I will note a few things.

Pg 5, paragraph 2, "Until recently, however, the appraisal industry seems to have escaped the type of regulation and scrutiny faced by other participants in the mortgage market. Our analysis finds that the appraisal industry has operated in a relatively closed, self-regulated framework."

Real estate appraisers are extremely regulated. We are more regulated than loan agents, real estate agents/brokers and others in the mortgage market. Real estate appraisers (brea.ca.gov) need a college degree, 200 hours of college level classes, 1,500 hours of experience with licensed experienced mentor, must pass exam and background check. Loan agents (nmls.org) only need a 20 hour course, must pass exam and background check. Real estate agents (dre.ca.gov) only need three college level courses, must pass exam and background check. These people act like Appraisers are the ones who made it so difficult to become an Appraiser to keep others out. It was the government who mandated this after falsely blaming Appraisers for the Savings and Loan Crisis, Great Recession and other real estate busts caused by other players in the market including the government.

We are regulated by the federal and state governments and are not "self-regulated." People are under the misconception that the private non-profit the Appraisal Institute (AI) who is supposed to represent Appraisers actually regulates Appraisers. They don't. We're regulated by multiple federal and state government agencies, see this article. Appraisers have to pay to join the AI. If you want to be an AI MAI Appraiser, it will cost you about $15,000 and take a couple of years. Only wealthy appraisers with $15,000 laying around and lots of extra time can afford to join. I'm not a member.

"Recent news stories have presented the shortcomings of the appraisal industry in stark relief, where individual homeowners and researchers have demonstrated that discriminatory bias continues to plague the appraisal industry, undermining value and breaking a key rung on the ladder to the middle class for families of color."

The recent news stories have proven to be false. The real reason people of color own homes which are worth less than the homes of white people is income. POC make less money. Women also make less money as do other groups. Of course they will buy and own homes that cost less. I've written about some of the major cases in the media, see below. 

Cora Robinson, Oakland, California. HUD complaint most likely already dismissed. 

Paul Austin, Tenisha Tate, Marin, California No HUD complaint, lawsuit will most likely be dismissed.

Carlette Duffy, Indianapolis, Indiana HUD complaint most likely already dismissed

Abena Sanders Horton, Alex Horton, Jacksonville, Florida New FOIA request. No info yet. 

I did FOIA requests for all of the above cases. Only three actually filed complaints. I believe two complaints have already been dismissed. I'm just trying to get a hold of the final report which they will not release unless I get a signed and notarized form signed by the complainant which states their full name, date of birth, country of origin, nationality, home address ... stating they agree to the report being released. I'm obviously appealing the FOIA case because that is ridiculous. I think they are withholding the reports because of the PAVE report coming out. These people publicly posted their complaints with their information online and in national press releases. The cases appear to be over per FOIA. If they won, they would have released another national press release and more media articles. This is why HUD doesn't release cases where no discrimination was found. They try to blame it on FOIA regulations which is false. Asking for the "country of origin" of the complainant seems discriminatory. I don't need or want to know that. It has nothing to do with the complaint.

From the Outline.

The report suggests Appraisers need more training on Fair Housing. We already have lots of repetitive training on Fair Housing to get your license and renew it every two years. That is not an issue.

Duty of Care, pg 11. They suggest adding the borrower as an "intended user" of the lenders appraisal report to increase accountability to the borrower. No much for appraisal independence and undue influence. Then the lender who ordered the appraisal will also be liable to the borrower. I see great push back on this issue. The purpose of the appraisal is to secure the loan for the bank and anyone who buys the loan or mortgage backed securities based on the loan. The borrower doesn't have to get a loan. A private loan is not a right but a privilege. The borrower can hire their own appraiser to do their own appraisal. Then they can be the intended user of that report.

"To increase the accountability of appraisers to borrowers who have been injured by appraisal negligence, the Appraisal Standards Board should consider amending the USPAP Standards to require appraisers to identify mortgage borrowers as “intended users” of appraisals prepared in relation to residential mortgage transactions."

Part I, Background, A, Bias in the Industry, "Redlining."

Adding race, nation of origin to the map data was dead wrong. Most of the other loan risk factors in the maps were based on many other factors besides race and nation of origin. The main factors were income and wealth of inhabitants. If you removed race and nation or origin from the data which they did, the risk stayed the same. These are the same risk factors we use today for credit scores. There is/was a correlation between POC and income. People with less income, less money live in areas with lower priced housing because that is what they can afford. These properties are more likely to be older, less well maintained, near industrial property and other less desirable features. That's why they were cheaper. When people have very little money, it's easy for them to not be able to make loan payments if they suffer one emergency. The solution to this problem is the same, increase the income of POC and others. More income, less risk. 

"Discrimination in Appraisals Continues on an Individual and Systemic Basis," pg 17.

They mention some of the alleged discrimination cases in the media. They don't bother to do any investigation into the cases to determine if there was indeed any discrimination. They don't post the results of the HUD complaints two of which were most likely already dismissed. Instead they link to press releases and false and misleading news articles. I will check out the Colorado and Connecticut cases.

"Discrimination in Appraisals Exists on a Systemic Basis," pg 18.

They mention the Freddie Mac research on Appraisal Gap. I wrote an article here which explains Appraisal Gap. You are more likely to have appraisal gap in areas which are revitalizing and quickly appreciating due to the historical nature of appraisal reports. Areas which are revitalizing are more likely to have POC. That is the correlation. At least they do note that the effect was shown across the nation and across appraisers. This shows it was not individual appraiser bias. 

They mention FHFA report on keywords found in appraisal reports, pg 19.

FHFA stated they searched millions of reports for what they feel are discriminatory words and found thousands had words which could be considered discriminatory. Just to get a ballpark figure here, 1,000/1,000,000 = .001 or .1% of reports. They did not review the reports and find the values were low or not market value. 

I agree that no one should have discriminatory language in the report. I disagree with the word "gentrification." I don't use it because it's not accurate.The proper term is revitalization. Still, it has nothing to do with race but money. Socioeconomic classes aren't protected. Lenders can discriminate based on money. FHFA itself uses the word all of the time as do other government agencies. Is it only discriminatory if an appraiser uses it?

Andre Perry's misleading report, pg 19. This report has been debunked here. It's not peer reviewed or published research. If you read Andre Perry's book, he is biased against certain people. He admits it. He also has an agenda to sell books.

Pg 19, "Howell/Korver-Glenn. A 2020 study of American Community Survey homeowners’ estimates from 1980 to 2015 found that neighborhood racial composition was an even stronger determinant of a home’s value in 2015 than it was in 1980."

That's because there is still a strong correlation between income and POC. The government and others haven't done anything about this. POC make less money. For this reason they buy and own homes in less expensive areas. They also own less expensive cars. Is that also the fault of real estate appraisers? FTR all the values came from inaccurate Zillow. Zillow has stated their values are not appraisals or accurate. Appraisers did not contribute the values in Andre Perry's paper or the other research so you can't blame appraisers.

Pg 22, They basically state the Sales Comparison Approach is biased because it's based on the sale prices of similar homes in the same area. Everyone knows the main three factors of home valuation are location, location, location. Should we use comps in Beverly Hills to appraise a home in South Los Angeles? No. Even if an Appraiser appraises a $100,000 home for $200,000, it doesn't affect the market value. The home is not worth $200,000. 

Pg 22, This is utter nonsense to cite in a government report!  In the book "Race Brokers, Dr. Korver-Glenn details the results of interviews with appraisers, including appraisers of color, regarding the steps they use to value a home based on their interpretation of the sales comparison approach.27 Many of  the appraisers in the study “assumed that White buyers were the standard for determining an area’s desirability, with White areas meeting this standard and receiving the highest values and non-White areas falling below the standard.“

Who the hell did this person interview?! Did they not interview appraisers in low income white areas like Florida, Virginia, California...every state in the nation? The sales comparison approach will show you the area's desirability based on money. It has nothing to do with color but income. AVMs, Appraisers don't see the occupants. We don't know the races of the people. There is no race reference in the data we research. 

Pg 24, "Appraisal Discrimination Is One of the Key Drivers of Today’s Wealth Gap." No, income gap is the main driver of the wealth gap! If you make less money, you have less money, buy and own a less expensive home. This discriminatory language should have never been allowed in a government report. People who complain about discrimination discriminating against others again. If the tables were turned, these people would be screaming bloody murder. 

Pg 24, "Appraisals Can Also Raise the Unique Challenge of Overvaluation." After the great recession everyone lost home equity. It affected poor people with subprime loans even more because the loose lending regulations by the government caused these people to have mortgages they could not afford. They lost their homes. If they met proper income, savings requirements, they would have been able to afford to pay their mortgage even though they were upside down like everyone else. If they weren't less wealthy, they would have had money to weather an emergency. 

Pg 26, "The Appraiser Workforce Suffers from a Lack of Diversity." Appraisers are just about as diverse as real estate agents, loan agents yet no one complains about them. They don't complain because agents can't kill deals with low appraisals but appraisers can. Here is an article I wrote about race and appraisers. That said I'd love to see race of appraisers match the nation. We need more diverse appraisers. The race of appraisers won't affect values because it's based on math and numbers. 

Part II. 

C. Governance of Appraisal Industry.

They bring up the fact that the Appraisal Institute is a private organization not part of the government, and doesn't legally have to abide by all government regulations. They suggest investigating the relationship between AI and the government. In the meantime they suggest AI add more diverse board members including consumers and civil rights people. In light of who actually made the report they basically want their own people on the board to control the AI. They said nothing about race, gender ... diversity. Here is their white board. Leadership is also 100% white. Six of 29 board members are women. I think they're all Appraisers. They should have others on the board. The government should keep in mind that the AI must follow their non-profit mission statement. Their mission is not to promote the government but appraisers and the industry. I didn't realize that people have to pay to appoint a trustee. That's ridiculous. AI should offer USPAP to anyone for free. Most of the other recommendations are already being done. 

D. Gaps in Fair Housing Requirements and Training

"As described above, the evidence clearly shows that the current appraisal system can result in biased valuations, both at the individual and neighborhood level. The causes of such bias are varied and complex."

I disagree that evidence has shown bias in the current system.  The Market Comparison Approach to value shows the market value. It's based on willing sellers and buyers. If someone wants to pay $200,000  for a $100,000 home in South Los Angeles, they can do that with a huge down payment but they won't because it doesn't make sense. The property won't be worth $200,000 except for property tax purposes. They can only sell it for $100,000. They lost $100,000. 

I also doubt that appraisers are not getting enough training in fair housing and discrimination. We take many classes to get our license and more classes every two years to keep our licenses. I don't know any appraiser who does not realize it's not legal to discriminate. If they want to add "shall" and "must" to USPAP, fine by me. I'm also fine with education changes as long as there aren't more hours and are just more hours on fair housing.

E. Barriers to Entry into the Appraisal Profession

I agree with some of these issues and suggestions though not all. They suggest reviewing any possible barriers to entry. Let's just make sure the bar is not so low that anyone can become an appraiser. You need to be a math, numbers person who can physically measure a building, climb a ladder, get into a crawl space, visually see construction material, hear a fan... They need some hands-on training. You wouldn't want a medical surgeon to just pass a written test then start cracking people open with a bone saw.

They suggest reducing license types to certified and general only getting rid of trainee.They suggest getting rid of college education requirement and possibly reducing the number of education hours needed. They suggest having an application based class so they can learn how to do an appraisal and getting rid of experience hours. If they do that, lenders will just make sure they only request appraisals from appraisers with so many years of experience. Those new people won't get work. They suggest reviewing the tests to make sure they are fair. I passed the appraisal exam for certified residential first time within an hour after a major car accident (uninsured motorist totaled my car) where I broke both wrists and got a concussion. I didn't go to the hospital until later because I was not going to lose my $750 test fee. I agree that some questions were worded poorly but just choose the best answer. The test was easier than high school exams. I would hope at least a GED or High School diploma would be needed. Don't set people up for failure. Make sure they can do the job or they won't get work.

They suggest AI and others try to recruit more women and people of color. I'm a Latino female. I contacted AI about supposed scholarships they offer. They said I have to pay to join AI just to apply for the scholarship! They dangle a scholarship to get money from new memberships. No thanks. 

One worry here is that the big rush of appraisals is over. We don't need new appraisers right now. I fear people will pay to become appraisers and lenders will not use newbie appraisers. That would be cruel to do to people.

F. Compliance and Enforcement p. 71

They talk about using data to determine if there is discrimination in appraisals. They talk about releasing report results. They won't release negative results of HUD complaints because complainant of course won't agree. You will only hear about cases where there was discrimination or someone agreed to a non-guilty statement just to end the case due to legal costs. They need to release ALL of the HUD complaints and investigation results.This is why the false narrative has continued. HUD did state most cases are dismissed but that's it. HUD also said most discrimination complaints based on disability and not color or race. 

They talked about maybe using another method of determine value. Lenders won't agree to cost or income approach as they don't reflect market value. Lender needs to know what they can sell the property before if the borrower doesn't make the payments. They talk about getting rid of the free form text parts of the appraisal. Okay! Less work for appraisers though they may no longer comply with USPAP without text explanations.

Pg 77, Reconsideration of Value

There should be standards in the ROV process. I believe there already are but I'm fine with it being more defined. Maybe there should be a fee paid by the lender. Sometimes an appraiser can be given seven new comps to consider. If you have to drive and see them all then put them all in the grid and then explain why they can or cannot be used, that's a complete new appraisal if not more work.

Conclusion

Overall I disagree with the message and tone of the report. The report is discriminatory, biased and defamatory against appraisers as a whole and as an industry. There is no independent research which shows appraisal bias and discrimination. They mention anecdotal media cases about alleged bias and discrimination as if they were facts. HUD won't release the final investigation reports of two cases which I believe have been dismissed because the complainants don't want them released. They refer to Andre Perry's paper as if it were peer review published research when it's just the false basis of his misleading book which he's selling. I'm okay with the basic recommendations which are to take a closer look at some issues. I agree with some of the suggestions to make becoming an appraiser easier. 

Below is the Table of Contents with page numbers. 

Table of Contents

Acknowledgments 3

Executive Summary 5

Part I: Background 13

A. The Problem of Bias in the Appraisal Industry 13

• The Appraisal System Historically Undervalued Homes in Communities of

Color

13

• Appraisal Policies Perpetuated an Unfounded Association Between Race and

Risk

15

• Discrimination in Appraisals Continues on an Individual and Systemic Basis 17

• Appraisal Discrimination Is One of the Key Drivers of Today’s Wealth Gap 24

• Appraisals Can Also Raise the Unique Challenge of Overvaluation 25

• The Appraiser Workforce Suffers from a Lack of Diversity 26

B. Civil Rights Laws and Regulations Applicable to the Appraisal

Industry

27

• The Fair Housing Act and the HUD Regulation 27

• The Equal Credit Opportunity Act and the CFPB’s Regulation B 28

• The Civil Rights Act of 1866 29

• State Laws and Prohibited Bases 29

• Theories of Proof 30

• Increase in Appraisal Discrimination Enforcement 33

Part II: Analysis and Recommendations 34

C. Questions about the Governance of the Appraisal Industry 34

• Overview of the Appraisal Regulatory Structure 34

• The Appraisal Foundation’s Legal Authority is Not Clear 35

• The Appointments and Elections Processes Would Benefit from Inclusion of

Viewpoints that Represent Consumers, Including Consumers of Color

40

• The Rules of Procedures and Exposure Draft Process Would Benefit from

Greater Transparency and Inclusion of Viewpoints that Represent Consumers,

Including Consumers of Color

44

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D. Gaps in Fair Housing Requirements and Training 48

• Lack of a Clear Prohibition of Discriminatory Conduct 48

• Lack of Guidance on the Use of Discretion 52

• Lack of Clear Fair Housing Training Requirements 56

• Lack of Effective Fair Housing Training 58

E. Barriers to Entry into the Appraisal Profession 64

• Multiple Levels of Licensing and Certification 64

• College Degree Requirements 66

• Appraisal Education Hours 66

• Experience Hours 66

• Standardized Tests 68

• Concern: Pipeline of Trainees and the Future of the Profession 69

F. Compliance and Enforcement 71

• Need for Data 71

• Development of Robust Compliance Management Systems 72

• Duty of Care: Appraiser Accountability 75

• Reconsideration of Value Process 77

G. Conclusion 80

H. Glossary of Acronyms 81

I. Appendix I – Authors’ Summary Biographies 82

Mary Cummins of Cummins Real Estate is a certified residential licensed appraiser in Los Angeles, California. Mary Cummins is licensed by the California Bureau of Real Estate appraisers and has over 35 years of experience.


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Wednesday, September 22, 2021

ASC Fall Roundtable September 22, 2021, Appraisal Sub Committee, Building a More Equitable Appraisal System, by Mary Cummins


My notes of the meeting are below.

"The ASC Fall Roundtable will closely examine issues of bias and inequities facing the appraisal industry and how to chart a path forward.

About this event

On September 22, 2021, the Appraisal Subcommittee (ASC) will convene the ASC Fall 2021 Roundtable: Building a More Equitable Appraisal System, to address historical and contemporary factors that have contributed to the inequities challenging the appraisal system today. We urge you to join us for this groundbreaking event, which will convene leaders in government, finance, real-estate, non-profits, and communities impacted by the appraisal system. The full lineup of speakers will be announced in the coming week.

The ASC Fall 2021 Roundtable will take place virtually on September 22 from 11:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. ET (8:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. PT) and will include featured speakers, audience question and answer sessions, theme-based concurrent breakouts, and closing comments outlining next steps.

Confirmed speakers include:

Secretary Marcia L. Fudge is the 18th Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. Throughout her career, Secretary Fudge has worked to help low-income families, seniors, and communities across the country.

Marc H. Morial is the President and CEO of the National Urban League. Over the last 15 years, Mr. Morial has expanded the reach of National Urban League services by empowering the League’s affiliate movement and creating a framework to create policies that serve communities of color.

Rodman Schley, MAI, SRA is National President of the Appraisal Institute, the nation’s largest professional association of real estate appraisers. Mr. Schley serves as Senior Managing Director for BBG, leading teams of managing directors and appraisers throughout the western United States.

Timothy Segerson is Chairman of the Appraisal Subcommittee and Deputy Director of the Office of Examination and Insurance with the National Credit Union Administration. Mr. Segerson is responsible for implementation of national policy relating to examination, supervision, insurance and guaranty fund risk management.

Jillian White, SRA is Head of Collateral at Better.com. A 17-year veteran of the appraisal industry, Ms. White providers critical leadership for Better, a direct lender dedicated to providing a fast, transparent digital mortgage experience backed by superior customer support.

Johnnie White is CEO and Executive Vice President at the American Society of Appraisers. Mr. White brings a distinguished career as an association professional serving in a variety of management and leadership roles, and as an adjunct faculty member at Georgetown University.

The goals of the roundtable are to: 1) engage audiences around the challenges and opportunities of building a more equitable appraisal system; 2) educate stakeholders on issues of bias and inequity in the appraisal process; and 3) collaborate with ASC’s partners on potential strategies for achieving a more equitable appraisal system. The key outcome of this interactive event will be a set of potential actions for implementing change, both near- and long-term, at local and systemic levels across the industry.

We will share the link to the livestream in the week leading up to September 22.

This event is free and open to the public, and media are welcome to attend. Please note that video and audio of this virtual event will be recorded."

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/asc-fall-2021-roundtable-building-a-more-equitable-appraisal-system-tickets-165140580923

Tough taking stills live. I'll take better ones when the video comes out. UPDATE: Video was supposed to have been out within a week and still no video. UPDATE: Video was just uploaded here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cijkv__Gw

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The link to the meeting wasn't working so I had to email the coordinator to get the Zoom link. This caused me to miss first 15 minutes. I'll post link to video and transcript when it's up. These are my notes. What's in ( ) is my comment.

A brief summary. There was a lot of talk about "acknowledging" racism and bias in appraising. They all said we must "get to the bottom of it" and "do something about it." Everyone kept saying they aren't bashing, blaming appraisers or calling them racists. They actually have been doing that without any evidence or data to support these claims including in the meeting. They stated this is a "systemic problem" "baked into" the "location, location, location" or sales comparison approach to value. Many said we need to get rid of the sales comparison approach and use a different value method such as income or replacement methods. Those people know nothing about appraising because those approaches consider land and income which are based on location. Another main topic was the appraisal trainee program needed to become a licensed appraiser. I agree the program needs to be changed. 

Jillian White, BetterMortgage: (Jillian was giving her same speech about her parents' home being appraised) "I was told by the agent I had to "erase" my parents' living and "dead relatives" from their home besides collectibles and books in order to sell the house." (ALL agents tell ALL clients to remove any and all personal photos, memorabilia, collectibles, clutter and small items. Buyers want to see themselves in the home and not the owner, whoever they are. This is not for the appraiser but the buyers. Is Jillian saying all home buyers are racists, everyone is racist? Here is one article about preparing your home for sale by removing personal items, photos, awards, taste specific art... This preparation is called staging. It has nothing to do with racism. It's a shame that Jillian is intentionally and falsely promoting racism and racist ideas. She's a real estate agent and knows what she is saying is false. I'm Latino and would never falsely tell the world that everyone is racist against Latinos and that's the reason why you should take down photos of your abuelita, primos and pics of Jesus Cristo y Dios). Below is a still from her presentation pointing at the items she was allegedly told to remove.


Jillian said her parents were okay with the appraisal value but Jillian was not so she sent in a rebuttal. The alleged rebuttal allegedly changed the price by $100,000. 

Most appraisers are 55 years plus, 70% are male and 96% white. (Wrong. While most are over 50 and male they are not 96% white. The AI data showed 85%. The AI data includes ASC approved certified appraisers and appraisers at an AI event only so the results are skewed. Actual % is lower.  The US population is 76% white. Most real estate agents are about equally white at 75% and people don't complain). It's not a formula for success when white people represent the industry. Because of the trainee program one must know an appraiser to become appraiser (so they are white). 

UPDATE: BetterMortgage is Jillian White's boss. The CEO of BetterMortgage is Vishal Garg who is a known investment scammer in the finance industry according to this Forbes article. They posted that most appraisers are basically white racists who are biased and intentionally come in lower than contract with black people and Latinos. That is a misinterpretation of the actual research which is here. They cited the same 96% white statistic with a link to the CPS Labor stats. The labor stats are based on only in person or telephone polls! We all know telephone polls aren't reliable. Neither are in person polls. Regular people don't pick up the phone with unknown numbers or answer the door to strangers. They only asked one person in the household to answer for everyone. BetterMortgage is cherry picking misleading numbers based on bad statistics. BetterMortgage stated that Jillian said appraising is a “mix of science and artistry, and the artistry is where the unconscious bias comes in.” Appraising is a science and a math formula. If it weren't, AVMs could not exist. Everything appraisers do is based on data, facts, math and science. There is no artistry. If Jillian believes artistry is involved, she should hang up her appraisal license right now. BetterMortgage is sadly using Jillian White though she is going along with it eyes wide open for a paycheck. 

B Doyle Mitchell: (He's chairman of minority bank association.) Industrial bank was established in 1934. We support black wealth via home ownership. Conscious racism. Unconscious bias. We've seen disparity in values based on who the appraiser is. The majority of our appraisers are African American. Sometimes we use others (whites) and we see the bias in our own appraisers. A $100,000 price change is unseen. Maybe $10K, $20K but not $100. (It depends on price range of homes. $100,000 is not much when you're talking multi million dollar homes. The $100,000 is only what Jillian said. We don't know the real appraisal or alleged change in value)

Many whites who aren't consciously biased are unconsciously biased. It could be the case in the industry. If you don't understand our struggle, our lack of capital...you don't understand. We proposed to regulate the minimum requirements (to pass appraisal exam) because of disparity in exam results. We lost. We need more examiners (appraisers). 

Bad economies are worse for African Americans. When the economy catches a cold, blacks get pneumonia. (This happens with all poor people)

Michael Akin of Link Strategic Partners introduced Rodman Schley, President of Appraisal Institute AI. 

Schley: We're trying to bring about positive change, diversity. We're working with Fannie, Freddie, Urban League. We got $3M from Chase to work on individual initiatives. We have scholarships for minority women.

Redlining, segregation, these challenges led to inequities. 44% of blacks own home, 75% of whites. They say there is no evidence of systemic bias in appraisal research. (Then he cites Andre Perry's misleading paper which has many major statistical errors). There are media stories where they feel race played a role. We get upset when we hear these stories. (He read his presentation) We appraisers only mirror what market tells us. We are trying to find where this bias stems from and what to do about it. No profession is immune from unconscious bias. We need to educate about how to interrupt this bias. The new task force should consider appeals, reconsideration of values. We must hire competent appraisers. It's the priority of AI. We're recruiting more women and people of color. (When it costs $15,000 to become a MAI I find that hard to believe). Appraisals are just one piece of the issue.

Marc Morial: I'm president of the Urban League UL. I was the Mayor of New Orleans. I was a Louisiana state Senator. The national UL is involved in the housing arena. We give 50K African Americans home counseling services or home buyer education. Buyer education lowers the foreclosure rate.We develop affordable home ownership. We're building a center with 170 affordable rental housing units and new headquarters. It will include NY's fist civil rights museum. 

The government initiated appraising. They said we will insure loans if it's appraised. That requires a look back at previous valuations of homes owned by white people. That stays with us today. Looking at comparable homes nearby means it's baked into the value disproportionately. A home in a white neighborhood which is the same as one in a black neighborhood is worth less in the black neighborhood (which he feels is wrong).(Me: It's the difference in land value). The disparity in wealth is baked into the housing industry. The science of location location location, the cardinal rule, has to be challenged. A $200,000 home in a white neighborhood verses a $96,000 home in a black neighborhood. They would cost same to rebuild if demolished yet the bank is more inclined to finance the home in the white neighborhood (because loan to value ratio would be less which means less risk to the bank). This is the inherent unfairness in real estate valuation. The racial dynamic is based on location because the neighborhood maybe used to be segregated. It's steering which still occurs today. 

When I went to sell my home in New Jersey I was told to remove my personal photos and African art. (Again, all agents tell ALL their clients to remove personal photos, items just so the home will sell for more and faster) 

This devaluation of black homes impacts everyone. It devalues the overall value of all homes. It reduces all property taxes. The lost wealth is in limbo in a zombie world where real valuations would show greater wealth in the community. OUR research found black homes lost $48,000 on average or $156 billion cumulative losses (That would be Andre Perry's false, misleading and statistically flawed paper). Cy Richardson is our expert. This is unfair, black verses white home ownership. (The differences in black and white home ownership has to do with the fact that black people, POC make less money and have less money than whites. Women also make and have less).  It's better to own than rent. Home ownership is foundational to the American Dream. 

Timothy Segersen: National Credit Union.  ASC initiatives are a review of appraiser criteria and USPAP. Do they promote fairness, diversity? We're doing a survey of appraisal industry and a series of roundtables. We need a better understanding of the challenges. We need to create dialogue for a path forward. Appraisals are just one part of a larger ecosystem. 

Q & A

Q: Why aren't there real estate appraisers and the appraisal industry on the new Biden task force? 

A: There will be. They won't be left out. (Me: The task force will be over in a few months. There isn't any time to add appraisers now. Appraisers have offered to be on the task force and were denied)

Jillian: The Freddie mac report data is recent research. It's five years of data. The study found after you adjust for everything, the borrower, the chance of not hitting the contract price is higher for blacks, black areas, after you adjust for everything (Wrong. They didn't adjust for property value. You're more likely to miss contract price in lower priced areas. Research has shown blacks, POC have less money, buy homes in less expensive areas). It was the most robust report.

Schley: We want them to focus on appraiser data and not AVM data. We want to know where the problems are so they can be part of solutions. (Agreed. Andre Perry's misleading statistically flawed paper was based on AVM data and not appraisers).

Morial: Saying the appraisal is biased doesn't mean the appraiser is cloaked in racial discrimination. It's just the system of how we appraise property which uses three comps in same neighborhood. It's baked into the legacy of segregation. Two areas, black area is undervalued because no capital is coming in. Why is one location more valuable than another? Because of redlining. Commercial property uses income approach. Unique properties don't use comparative method. We might want to use replacement value instead. (You'd still need land value which is based on location). We could think of different methods which have less opportunity for "bias." Is there a better way? Use a different method. (The income approach is still based on location). We need to look at the system. We aren't excoriating the industry. The method is baked in practices from 80 years ago. It's methods, systems and not appraisers. Maybe the system as designed, has bias built into it. (Jillian nods)

There are 300 people here today. 

Mitchell: We hit a nerve here, clearly. Realtors, banks could have own bias but we're here to discuss appraisals which has impact on value of property and deals. The appraisal is supposed to be objective value of what the home is worth. I know lenders and appraisers do have conversations. I work at a bank. I know relationships affect those conversations. (Is he saying he influences appraisers at his bank?)

Jillian: How do we address the gate keeping challenge? We must ask the appraiser board to revisit how unintended consequence enters the supervisory model. The length of time it takes for a trainee. It's expensive. It slows you down. You're training your competition. It's a barrier for POC (everyone, actually. White people complain to me about it). We must move away from the model.

Schley: How do we bring more people into the pipeline. These discussions help. Minority and women's scholarships at AI. They go unused.

James Park:  ASC. Trainee program is a barrier to look at doing away with it. ASC is concerned about the lack of diversity and lack of new entrants. We're working on a census of appraisal industry to understand demographics.  

We will take further questions under advisement. 

Akin: POC can't borrow to fix their homes. 

Schley: There is no real good solution for the systemic problems right now. The cost approach? It includes the valuation of the land and depreciation. The income approach is not applicable as much. We appraisers reflect the market. We don't make the market. If I told you, you can't use comp across street because of system racism, if I go outside the market, how will I reflect that market? It's not just the appraiser. It's the entire system.

(Second part of event is breakout meetings with just a few people and Q & A. One speaker didn't realize he was live and said these people (appraisers) are "feisty." The moderator told him he was live and he stopped. The speakers could see the questions being asked.)

Group 1. Michael Akin, Mark Abbott, Cy Richardson. 

Cy Richardson: It's a systems question. Do we move away from the measurable and discernible. I worked at the national Urban League the oldest African American organization to help African Americans. We are at the bottom of Mt Everest at this challenge. I'm interested in wealth building of people of color. I worked in government as an urban planner. Home ownership is success, wealth... Maybe loans should be based on income only. (They are) Don't personalize the issue (appraisers). It's institutional issues. 

VA program, Tidewater process use alternative non traditional indicators of credit. If you pay rent you build credit. If someone sends monthly remittance back home, build credit. 

Akin: You were in urban planning. You led us to where we are today (joking). 

Cy: Pale, male and stale. That's what appraisers are. (The general consensus is that "pale, male and stale" is racism, sexism and ageism wrapped in a pithy phrase. Cy Richardson has said this previously. He recently stated that CFP's are "pale, male, and stale." Why is it okay for him to make this racist, sexist, ageist statement? Isn't he against racism, sexism and ageism or only when it's directed against himself?)

Akin: We (two older white guys on panel) won't take offense to pale and male but we take offense to stale (uncomfortable joking). 

Below are stills from the video.



Abbott: There should be feedback system for appraisers. 

Akin: Introduces Cate Agnew, head valuation expert at Natixis, NY, counselors of real estate. 

Agnew: I've spent 25 years in the appraisal industry as appraiser. Now I do review appraisals for lenders. Profession takes a lot of heat. I know appraisers are feeling targeted. We need to revamp the mentor program. Two years of apprenticeship turns some people out of college off. 

Q: ROV process. With loan denial based on a credit report you get copy of the report with explanation but you don't with denial of loan based on appraisal. 

A: Lender shouldn't just say original lending report stands. Lazy response. We don't want flood of unsupported complaints (to hotlines, government). Statistical modeling may be useful. (Actually the appraiser is instructed to answer the ROV in the report and resubmit it for the borrower to view)

Abbott: Appraisal not owned by borrower or owner of property. 

Agnew: Copy of which is provided to borrower. Maybe too late by that time to file a complaint with the government. Borrower should be the co client. Should get time to reply to the report. (Borrowers get the report within a day of submitting. They send in ROV within 1-2 days. Appraiser has 1-2 days to respond. It's not weeks).

Agnew: What should appraisers do now. Don't pull comps before the inspection. 

Abbott: PAREA. We should adopt other program for trainees.

Johnnie White: (75 people in the room.) CEO of American Society of Appraisers. Adjunct faculty member at Georgetown University. ASA. We have been focusing on diversity at ASA. Changed board documents about diversity, discrimination. We focus on education of unconscious bias. 

Q: What do appraisers do now while wait for changes in the profession?  

A: Appraiser is just one component in process. Must look at all. Must be open to change. 

Q: Why is it the appraiser's issue? Real estate agents also use market data to price home. 

A: Should we be asking appraisers questions now? If you feel something is wrong, go with that gut feeling. Be open to rebuttals. 

Abbott: Policy makers need to listen to appraisers. 

Akin: Criteria for licensing should be federal and over rule states who have right to make them more strict.

Abbott: Agree but Congress cares about states rights. 

Introduces Jillian White as head of collateral at BetterMortgage.

Jillian: I've been an appraiser for 18 years. I've been working at a lender for five years. I speak because there are so few of us (POC). Need to change how new appraisers are made. 

Akin: How appraisers are blamed for everything but can't solve anything.

Q: Appraisers taught not to consider factors that contribute to bias. Now we should recognize and address them when we were told not to even consider them per law?

Jillian: Difference between consideration and acknowledging. The new data based on appraisers and race. The cause is unknown now. (Freddie Mac data) 

Q: "The AQB has approved the PAREA process which eliminates the need for folks to find a mentor. This program has the ability to make a monumental shift in the number of minority appraisers. However, individual states can opt to not approve the PAREA process which inhibits the ability for folks to enter the profession. We need help at the federal level to require states to accept the PAREA process in order to make are profession look more like the social fabric of America."

Akin: Can borrowers appeal an appraisal in your company? 

Jillian: At Better we set up new process for claims of racial bias. People are naturally upset when appraisal doesn't meet contract. People are naturally upset about discrimination. At Better we are tracking this. We look at the appraisal report. Values have been changing. 

Q: Trainees can't do inspections by themselves. 

Jillian: BetterMortgage sells all their loans. We can't sell loans with trainee inspections. It's not up to us. 

Q: Only 12 states allow PIREA. 

Abbott: Is it bias or lack of competence?

Jillian: Can't answer. Hopefully Freddie Mac can answer with their data. 

Q: Should we remove location, location, location as a factor in appraisals?

Jillian: Location is the crux of sales comparison approach. If we start tinkering with that it could unravel everything. We would be further into level of just an opinion. If select comps from all over, the ability to standardize, for fair treatment, becomes more difficult. I don't see that as a solution to move away from location.

Back to main meeting.

White: We have a system that's not the best. It needs changes. It won't happen tomorrow. 

Akin: Wrapping up. Was this an appraiser bashing session? Now we're all in this together. 

James Park: Most missed first 15 minutes. Meeting is recorded. Thanks, everyone.


Mary Cummins of Cummins Real Estate is a certified residential licensed appraiser in Los Angeles, California. Mary Cummins is licensed by the California Bureau of Real Estate appraisers and has over 35 years of experience.


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